Comments on: My Friendly Ventilator http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/% Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 28 May 2012 20:24:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: submarine susie http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-42 submarine susie Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:57:46 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-42 spell what? spell what?

]]> By: submarine susie http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-41 submarine susie Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:56:16 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-41 Yeh! COME ONE, COME ALL to this wonderful mentally challenging discussion!!! :-) :-D Rambler and I invite you to join our discussion. Please, post your thoughts right here. :-) As for separating the physical from the spiritual, this seems to me to be impossible. After all, we were fashioned as ONE body, not four (as some may want to believe :-) ). The spiritual element often moves the physical element of the healing process along. In many cases (whether one acknowledges or understands there is a supreme being guiding the universe) our attitude toward the spiritual often affects the healing process. I might even blame God for my illness. I can get so angry with God for my illness that it causes me to despair, losing the will to live. This is how our spiritual element can affect the physical element. I can literally stop the healing process with a negative mental and spiritual attitude. Where does healing and our will to live or desire to be healed come from? It comes from love - love of a person who cares for us and especially the love of God. The Great Healer heals us and puts people in our lives to help us heal. If I am angry about being sick I inhibit myself from healing because I allow myself to build up anger inside of me which affects my mind, my heart and everything else. I become angrier and angrier that I am sick and this causes depression (a serious disease of the mind) and puts more stress on my heart. Do you agree with this assumption, Rambler? We must be open to this healing. Sometimes we do not always have a choice though. Sometimes we are put into a bad situation and are forced to make the best out of this inadequate means of care. It is not always easy to do this. If we are spiritually attune, we are inclined to believe God will help us out of the bad situation somehow. This is where these people find their hope in times of suffering. Yeh! COME ONE, COME ALL to this wonderful mentally challenging discussion!!! :-) :-D Rambler and I invite you to join our discussion. Please, post your thoughts right here. :-)

As for separating the physical from the spiritual, this seems to me to be impossible. After all, we were fashioned as ONE body, not four (as some may want to believe :-) ). The spiritual element often moves the physical element of the healing process along. In many cases (whether one acknowledges or understands there is a supreme being guiding the universe) our attitude toward the spiritual often affects the healing process. I might even blame God for my illness. I can get so angry with God for my illness that it causes me to despair, losing the will to live. This is how our spiritual element can affect the physical element. I can literally stop the healing process with a negative mental and spiritual attitude. Where does healing and our will to live or desire to be healed come from? It comes from love - love of a person who cares for us and especially the love of God. The Great Healer heals us and puts people in our lives to help us heal.

If I am angry about being sick I inhibit myself from healing because I allow myself to build up anger inside of me which affects my mind, my heart and everything else. I become angrier and angrier that I am sick and this causes depression (a serious disease of the mind) and puts more stress on my heart. Do you agree with this assumption, Rambler?

We must be open to this healing. Sometimes we do not always have a choice though. Sometimes we are put into a bad situation and are forced to make the best out of this inadequate means of care. It is not always easy to do this. If we are spiritually attune, we are inclined to believe God will help us out of the bad situation somehow. This is where these people find their hope in times of suffering.

]]> By: Rambler http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-38 Rambler Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:23:17 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-38 Maybe so, maybe not. But I'll bet you can spell it.(Sigh.) Maybe so, maybe not. But I’ll bet you can spell it.(Sigh.)

]]> By: Rambler http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-37 Rambler Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:21:00 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-37 Sorry to take so long to get back on this one. Sometimes the mechanics of life get in the way of "the good stuff!" But that could be the ONLY restriction in this discussion...after all, it's a blog! Don't know what the limits would be, really! How about you other people out there in the virtual universe? Can YOU separate the physical from the spiritual? Sorry to take so long to get back on this one. Sometimes the mechanics of life get in the way of “the good stuff!” But that could be the ONLY restriction in this discussion…after all, it’s a blog! Don’t know what the limits would be, really! How about you other people out there in the virtual universe? Can YOU separate the physical from the spiritual?

]]> By: submarine susie http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-20 submarine susie Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:26:05 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-20 It IS a rich and challenging discussion! Thank you for raising the bar by making it so intellectually stimulating. :-) Did you realize that you've made it very philosophical? I don't know a lot about philosophy yet but I will try to keep the discussion somewhat intelligent so as not to bore you completely and make myself look foolish in the process. :-D It is good to live in the present moment, to accept THIS moment and thank God for what we have without worrying about what will happen out in the future. I can't say this is an easy thing to do though. :-) We can only know the present; we don't know the future. We do learn from the past so we should not dismiss it altogether. What cultures are you referring to? When you say "They don't have the verb 'to be'", do you mean they don't have a word for this verb? People ARE different from trees...we have an intellect and a will so we can make rational decisions whereas trees can't. Do you agree with this? It is true that we depend on trees for oxygen and trees depend on people for carbon dioxide to make chlorophil. So in that sense, we aren't separate. Pretty cool how God designed the universe that way! :-) We have infinite value only in that we are adopted by God the Father through Jesus. But we are very finite still because our bodies are mortal. Sorry for preaching. It seems like the spiritual is intertwined with the physical. Can't seem to restrict our discussion to just the physical. :-) It IS a rich and challenging discussion! Thank you for raising the bar by making it so intellectually stimulating. :-) Did you realize that you’ve made it very philosophical? I don’t know a lot about philosophy yet but I will try to keep the discussion somewhat intelligent so as not to bore you completely and make myself look foolish in the process. :-D

It is good to live in the present moment, to accept THIS moment and thank God for what we have without worrying about what will happen out in the future. I can’t say this is an easy thing to do though. :-) We can only know the present; we don’t know the future. We do learn from the past so we should not dismiss it altogether. What cultures are you referring to? When you say “They don’t have the verb ‘to be’”, do you mean they don’t have a word for this verb?

People ARE different from trees…we have an intellect and a will so we can make rational decisions whereas trees can’t. Do you agree with this?

It is true that we depend on trees for oxygen and trees depend on people for carbon dioxide to make chlorophil. So in that sense, we aren’t separate. Pretty cool how God designed the universe that way! :-) We have infinite value only in that we are adopted by God the Father through Jesus. But we are very finite still because our bodies are mortal.

Sorry for preaching. It seems like the spiritual is intertwined with the physical. Can’t seem to restrict our discussion to just the physical. :-)

]]> By: Rambler http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-19 Rambler Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:53:27 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-19 What a rich and challenging exchange!Keeping things simple by referring back to the physical element is a great idea...they don't call me Rambler for nothing! SO.Some cultures don't even have the verb "to be" in their language.There's no "I will be, you have been,that will not happen"etc.Life is simply happening NOW, within the natural cycles of day and night,seasons and tides,etc.Each living being has infinite value because there's no thought of Seperation...the "whole"can't exist without any of it's parts.Trees breath out what I breathe in,they breathe in what I breathe out..how are we seperate?So,each individual life is as valuable as the whole universe, because there's no difference..no seperation..each life IS the universe. One could say,then that my "job"here is to be as completely ALIVE as I can possibly manage; that's how I fullfill my destiny,express God's Will,however you want to say it. And amazingly, a great place to start is with BREATH,right back to our immediate and basic experience." Arise from one's breath, and behold the Face of God". It's the place from which we choose life. That's all for now....if I say more now I'll just become less clear.Thanks for getting my brain going on all this! Till next time...Randy What a rich and challenging exchange!Keeping things simple by referring back to the physical element is a great idea…they don’t call me Rambler for nothing! SO.Some cultures don’t even have the verb “to be” in their language.There’s no “I will be, you have been,that will not happen”etc.Life is simply happening NOW, within the natural cycles of day and night,seasons and tides,etc.Each living being has infinite value because there’s no thought of Seperation…the “whole”can’t exist without any of it’s parts.Trees breath out what I breathe in,they breathe in what I breathe out..how are we seperate?So,each individual life is as valuable as the whole universe, because there’s no difference..no seperation..each life IS the universe. One could say,then that my “job”here is to be as completely ALIVE as I can possibly manage; that’s how I fullfill my destiny,express God’s Will,however you want to say it. And amazingly, a great place to start is with BREATH,right back to our immediate and basic experience.” Arise from one’s breath, and behold the Face of God”. It’s the place from which we choose life. That’s all for now….if I say more now I’ll just become less clear.Thanks for getting my brain going on all this! Till next time…Randy

]]> By: submarine susie http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-16 submarine susie Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:37:29 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-16 Thank you, Rambler, for your insight and comment. Yes, I have heard the phrase "quality of life" determined by how many PHYSICAL things one can DO and how WELL these physical things are done. I don't agree that a person's quality of life should be measured solely by physical abilities. There is more to a person than the physical. People are made of spiritual, physical, mental and emotional elements; and all of these elements must be considered when we talk of the healing process. But, to keep matters simple we will restrict this conversation to the physical element. Whenever one receives assistance to their health, yes, of course, their quality of life improves. It is ludicrous to deny this because it becomes evident in the person's psychology and behavior. What did you mean when you said "In life, many cultures in the world consider only this moment, this day, and place the value of each and every life as infinite"? Do you mean that some people believe they will live forever on earth or that there is no life after death? I believe that we will die but I also believe there is life after death. Having said this, I believe we each have a responsibility to make loving, moral choices. This means we need to make choices that show Christ's love to our neighbor. What did you mean when you said "From this, a life’s value is estimated by how completely one is present, and how deeply this moment is experienced"? I have my own theory on how one's life should be valued, but I would like to hear your theory first. Thank you, Rambler, for your insight and comment. Yes, I have heard the phrase “quality of life” determined by how many PHYSICAL things one can DO and how WELL these physical things are done. I don’t agree that a person’s quality of life should be measured solely by physical abilities. There is more to a person than the physical. People are made of spiritual, physical, mental and emotional elements; and all of these elements must be considered when we talk of the healing process. But, to keep matters simple we will restrict this conversation to the physical element. Whenever one receives assistance to their health, yes, of course, their quality of life improves. It is ludicrous to deny this because it becomes evident in the person’s psychology and behavior.

What did you mean when you said “In life, many cultures in the world consider only this moment, this day, and place the value of each and every life as infinite”?

Do you mean that some people believe they will live forever on earth or that there is no life after death? I believe that we will die but I also believe there is life after death. Having said this, I believe we each have a responsibility to make loving, moral choices. This means we need to make choices that show Christ’s love to our neighbor.

What did you mean when you said “From this, a life’s value is estimated by how completely one is present, and how deeply this moment is experienced”? I have my own theory on how one’s life should be valued, but I would like to hear your theory first.

]]> By: Rambler http://portalung.com/blog/2008/07/01/my-friendly-ventilator/%#comment-13 Rambler Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:08:48 +0000 http://portalung.com/blog/?p=63#comment-13 Hi! Your vision of the phrase "quality of life" is right on.So often that's translated into mechanical concepts:"how many things can one DO?" or even "How much does this level of activity cost?",all compared to some standard of a"good life".Poor projected quality of life can often be a self-fullfilling prophecy, whether made by doctor,patient,or average person.Whenever ANYONE receives assistance in their challenges,quality of life improves immediately...and breath is basic.In life,many cultures in the world consider only this moment,this day,and place the value of each and every life as infinite.from this,a life's value is estimated by how completely one is present,and how deeply this moment is experienced.So any life that's "characterized by hope,value freedom and happiness" sounds like a pretty high- quality life,and if the Porta Lung helps that by assisting ease and consistency of breath, it must really be worth the ride.Thanks for sharing your experience and vision so openly and passionately! Hi! Your vision of the phrase “quality of life” is right on.So often that’s translated into mechanical concepts:”how many things can one DO?” or even “How much does this level of activity cost?”,all compared to some standard of a”good life”.Poor projected quality of life can often be a self-fullfilling prophecy, whether made by doctor,patient,or average person.Whenever ANYONE receives assistance in their challenges,quality of life improves immediately…and breath is basic.In life,many cultures in the world consider only this moment,this day,and place the value of each and every life as infinite.from this,a life’s value is estimated by how completely one is present,and how deeply this moment is experienced.So any life that’s “characterized by hope,value freedom and happiness” sounds like a pretty high- quality life,and if the Porta Lung helps that by assisting ease and consistency of breath, it must really be worth the ride.Thanks for sharing your experience and vision so openly and passionately!

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